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		<title>Wikiadmin at 09:42, 27 November 2020</title>
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		<title>Wikiadmin: Created page with &quot;== Popular Myths of GYE Members == '''Myth: My behavior proves that I'm a worthless''' * See Self Worth. * See [https://intercom.help/gye-faq/en/articles/4590389-life-skil...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;== Popular Myths of GYE Members == &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Myth: My behavior proves that I&amp;#039;m a worthless&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; * See &lt;a href=&quot;/Self_Worth&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;Self Worth&quot;&gt;Self Worth&lt;/a&gt;. * See [https://intercom.help/gye-faq/en/articles/4590389-life-skil...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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'''Myth: My behavior proves that I'm a worthless'''&lt;br /&gt;
* See [[Self Worth]].&lt;br /&gt;
* See [https://intercom.help/gye-faq/en/articles/4590389-life-skills-self-acceptance-and-compassion Life Skills: Self-Acceptance and Compassion]&lt;br /&gt;
* Is a diamond that is dirty a &amp;quot;bad diamond&amp;quot;? We're precious children of Hashem, and have a neshama which a חלק אלוק ממעל. This habit doesn't ''define us'' any more than lashon hara. Thousands of GYE members have been able to overcome this challenge, and feel amazing. You can too!&lt;br /&gt;
* There are countless guys struggling, it's just that no one talks about it. check the GYE forums to meet some of them. you are not alone!&lt;br /&gt;
'''Myth: My double life shows I'm lacking in Yiras Shamayim'''&lt;br /&gt;
* We have many incredible ''Yerei Shamayim'' on GYE. Once a habit or compulsive behavior is developed, ''yiras shamayim'' and willpower can help you get motivated, but to actually break the habit, you'll need good strategies and techniques.&lt;br /&gt;
* Talk about the Nisayon in our generation, and why it's so hard. See [[Perspectives on the Struggle]].   &lt;br /&gt;
* You are not a loser or rasha.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Myth: I don't want it enough''' &lt;br /&gt;
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* Motivation is important, it's the engine that gets us started. But willpower alone is not enough to break a habit, you need ''strategies''.  &lt;br /&gt;
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We can also deal with the following: &lt;br /&gt;
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* '''Masturbation is a ''need'''''.  See [[Beliefs about Urges]].&lt;br /&gt;
* '''Porn is harmless, it's just a screen'''. See [[Understanding Pornography]] and [[Pornography Use Effects]]. Maybe mention Halacha too.&lt;br /&gt;
* '''The problem will go away after marriage'''. &lt;br /&gt;
** The truth is that it won't, it gets more complicated then and it can harm your marriage. It can also lead to divorce.&lt;br /&gt;
** See [[dating]]. The Porn Myth is also have a good chapter on this.&lt;br /&gt;
* '''If I give up porn, my life will empty and lame'''.&lt;br /&gt;
** Talk about how recovery can be fun (like in fortify). We can focus on how it can be very satisfying - some guys say it was one of the most significant experiences of their lives. We can introduce the aviation metaphor that way.&lt;br /&gt;
** Also focus that in GYE you'll learn to replace this bad habit with other enjoyable activities, that will give you real deep satisfaction. See [[Lifestyle Balance]].&lt;br /&gt;
** Quote testimonials from [[How I reached 90 days]]&lt;br /&gt;
And maybe another one to address '''black and white thinking'''. &lt;br /&gt;
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* See [https://intercom.help/gye-faq/en/articles/4590393-life-skills-anti-perfectionism Life Skills: Anti-perfectionism]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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